Wendy Paige Sterling

What exactly is Kolbe, and how does it differ from other personality assessments like Myers-Briggs?

In this episode, I’m joined by Melissa Froehlich, a business coach and Kolbe Certified™ Consultant, as we dive into the fascinating world of how to unlock your conative strengths through harnessing the power of Kolbe.

Among the 3 parts of the mind, cognitive, affective, and conative, Kolbe is the only assessment that can measure your conative traits. Amplifying awareness impacts your personal and professional development to propel you closer to your goals.

I invite you to tap into the pause to understand your innermost self and get better alignment based on your strengths.

Tune in to this episode of The Power In The Pause: Unlocking Your Conative Strengths: Harnessing the Power of Kolbe With Melissa Froehlich.

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 Like I was in corporate for 20 years and I learned how to do things a certain way. And then when I became an entrepreneur, it was like, well, why isn’t this working for me? And, you know, why am I still butting my head up against a wall? And I just feel like this allows it just, it really shines a light on how it is.

Right. That you can approach. tasks differently, how it is that you can problem solve differently, how it is that you can engage with other people from a place of understanding where it is that they’re coming from and knowing how to interact. 

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Got so many good 

things to talk about today. Me too. And I am so grateful that you have come into my world because what you do and the way you do it is to me very much unicornish, you guys. So you’re going to want to tune in to what Melissa and I are going to talk about today, which is going to be all about how it is that you can unlock your conative strengths.

How? Through harnessing the power of Colby. So Melissa and I are going to dive into this fascinating world and how you don’t even know that it can impact your personal and professional development as it is that you are amplifying your awareness around your conative strengths to propel you closer to your goals.

So before Melissa and I dive into this, Fascinating conversation today. Let me share a little bit more about her with you all. So Melissa is a business coach and she is Colby certified as well. So she’s a Colby certified consultant with unparalleled expertise and business alignment strategy for women entrepreneurs.

Her work synthesizes agile and resilient strategic frameworks with a deep understanding of Colby and human design principles.  Offering sustainable solutions for business growth. Melissa left her cushy fortune 500 corporate career back in 2016 and made the leap into full time entrepreneurship where she has built a successful multi six figure coaching business.

championing female entrepreneurs towards achieving CEO status with strategies that resonate with their unique strengths. Melissa’s professional journey is underpinned by her commitment to fostering leadership development and strategic business planning, accelerating her clients past a success and empowering them to craft their futures on their own terms. 

You are an incredible human. I, I, you guys, for those of you who don’t know, Melissa was also a guest in the amplify your abundant summit that I had a couple of months ago. And I wanted her to come back and I wanted to interview her now that she is Colby certified. And so I’m really excited for her to dive in because.

Some of you may not even know what that is and are curious how it may or may not differ from other personality assessments. So Melissa, I love definitions. So can you please explain to our audience today what exactly is Colby? 

Absolutely. Well, thanks again for having me. I am really excited to talk about this.

So I think the easiest way to illustrate Colby is to talk about things that we are already more familiar with. So there are. three parts of the mind. There’s the cognitive, the affective and the conative. Okay, so if you are like me and you love all the assessments out there, whether it’s Myers Briggs or StrengthsFinder or Enneagram, those measure either the cognitive or the affective parts of the minds, the affective having to do with our feelings, our values, the cognitive are things that we learn our intelligence.

And so the only way to measure the conative part of the mind, which is our innate strengths in striving. So how we do projects and tasks, the the word conation  refers to actual creation and creativity. So not necessarily painting a picture, although that’s one piece of it, but bringing things to fruition.

So how do we strive when left to be free to be ourselves? That’s what Colby measures. So Colby is the only assessment that can measure our cognitive strengths. So for me, it is. It’s such a valuable part of the bigger holistic view of ourselves, right? So if you’re listening to this podcast, you’re probably somebody who also loves to know more about how you are designed to function.

So this is really the missing link for so many people because we start to bring all All the parts of the mind together. And then that’s when things tend to really click. 

Okay. So the next question that comes up in my mind is, so how does Colby specifically measure punitive strengths and what aspects of human behavior then does it actually focus on?

Sure. So your Colby result will be a range of four different numbers across four different modes of action. And this tells us how we are going to approach doing things. So when we strive, when we’re exerting energy. So it tells us. When free to be ourselves, when not influenced by the affective and the cognitive things, when we are just doing, how do we thrive?

How do we strive when, how do we thrive when striving? And so it measures our innate abilities. Instincts essentially. So the first one, the first zone is going to be our fact finder zone. That’s a red on your chart. The next zone is going to be follow through that’s blue on your chart. The next one is quick start and I’ll get into what these mean a little bit more.

And then the last one, which is yellow is implementer. I want to be really clear on this because especially if you’re a service provider, when you do your Colby MO and you look at your implementer number, notice that it is spelled. O R. This has to do with the use of actual tools and tangibles and getting your hands on things.

This has nothing to do with implementation and completing things. So implement your measures. How are we going to use our hands or use tools to have that be part of the process? So overall, what happens is we get  A number. Mine happens to be 8353 and that’s that tells us which zone I fall into in each of those modes.

There are no good scores. There are no bad scores. This simply highlights our strengths. Another really important thing I want to highlight is this doesn’t indicate what we can do. This indicates what we will do again when free to be ourselves. Naturally, how are we going to approach completing a task or a project or doing things in our life and in our business?

In a way that is working with our strengths instead of against them and essentially preserving the natural amount of mental energy that we wake up with every single day in those specific zones. Okay. So mode, sorry, action modes. So the fact finder, which is the first one, that’s simply how we deal with information.

Are we somebody who needs a lot of information or a little bit of information to start a task? Okay. That will also indicate if we have a long number, like I mentioned that I was an eight in that first one, I’m going to start every task with information. I’m going to do research. I need to know a certain amount of things in order to start, right?

You may not. need as much information as I do. I tend to need a lot of information. I’ll just tell you. So the next one, the follow through has to do with how we organize information. I’m putting emphasis on the word how, because so many people think that this means, am I organized or not? No, this is how we organize information.

So are we a person who creates a lot of process or steps in a  or are we somebody who needs Fewer steps in order to complete a task. The next one, which is green, follow through. I mentioned that’s all about how we handle risk and innovation, right? Are we on the longer end of the spectrum where we are an innovator and we’re moving quickly in that quick start?

Or are we in the counteract where we’re looking at how do we preserve what already exists? And then the last one I already talked a little bit about is the implementer and this is how we deal with space and tangibles. Are we somebody that envisions and can see in our mind or create a visual representation of something coming to life?

Or are we the person that’s like, I have to get my hands on it and I have to build a prototype or I need to build this to completion before I can even then start to build a process. I have to see how this totally comes together. So where do you see. start based on your natural instincts with bringing things to life.

That’s really what the Colby measures, those thriving, striving instincts, and then puts it together. In our appropriate zones based on those four modes and that gives us our MO or modus operandi. So big answer to that question, but 

it is and at the same time it makes so much sense, right? Like to me, knowing your Colby, is it called your Colby score?

I mean, there’s, there’s a lot of nuances, but yes, I think that’s what most people end up calling it. So proper would be my, just my Colby, right? Because Colby, okay. There is some.  People have some affective tendencies around the word score, right? It’s not a good or a bad score. So it’s just your Colby. It’s your MO.

They’ve really tried to come away from that. But if, if you’re familiar with Colby, you probably are somebody who was going to say Colby score and that’s okay. Right. It’s just the understanding. It’s not good or bad. We’re not highlighting what you’re not good at. We’re highlighting what your strengths are and how that’s going to show up.

Right. Well, and I have to imagine that, I mean, well, knowing what your cold, I’m going to say this correctly, knowing what your Colby is right. It really helps you to make decisions right from what I would say is almost like making decisions that are going to serve you right that are overall going to be and feel better for you.

And what’s also coming up for me too, is that. I mean, as a, as a leader, right, how important is it to know even like your clients? Colby’s right because 

so important, 

you know, and I’ve had this conversation with other professionals that are, you know, that do other, you know, modes of, of this type of data information gathering.

And I find that what is not being talked about is how important it is to know other people’s as well, because then how is it that you show up as a leader to your client? So what have you seen either with yourself and or with your clients? In knowing both yours and your clients, like what is the, you know, what is the outcome?

What is the productivity? What’s the effectiveness? 

There we had, I feel like we could do an entire podcast series on this just with tangible examples, but this is one of my favorite parts of it. I, and I love how you frame that up. It starts with yourself, right? You’ve got to dip your toe in the pond of your own Colby to start to understand it and then get curious about, you know, Everyone else around you because this is going to be a really good indicator of potential conflict.

And I use that word just so that there’s awareness around it. But It doesn’t mean that we cannot work with somebody who has a wildly different score because when we have awareness, then we can have communication and we can create better systems of approaching it. But we, as humans, our way is the best way.

Individually, right? And we’re continually questioning why is somebody doing it that way? Well, they’re probably doing it that way because that is naturally how they’re going to bring a project to life or a task to life. And it’s their way is right to them. And so this is really super important to make sure that we have an understanding and that We can work as cohesively as possible with people that we’re close to.

I just did a really fascinating assessment for a really big organization. And the founder works in some capacity with her husband in some roles within the bigger organization. And she is a very long fact finder like me. She happens to be an eight and her husband. happens to be a two in the fact finder.

So anytime we have a deviation of greater than four numbers, there is what is called the potential for conflict. And so one of the things that I really, really highlighted is the founder needs a lot of information in order to feel that’s the affective piece, but confident in moving forward, right? So she will spend a lot of time gathering data information, researching to approach a task.

And then there’s that We assume everyone is like us, right? It just at the end of the day to deliver that same amount of information to everyone else. Well, the problem is her husband, when she’s working on projects with him, he is that, you know, much shorter fact finder. And so she is overwhelming him with the amount of information that she’s bringing.

And so what happens when you’re overwhelmed, you’re frustrated, right? So she’s. frustrating. And so there is this conflict happening and this tension building. And so by simply being aware of that, because she’s highly, you know, emotionally intelligent and just being like, Oh, of course this makes so much sense.

And so knowing where he falls in terms of his zone in, in that mode, right? We know that he’s somebody who wants to simplify information. So if she can. Simply deploy the strategy of giving very, very high level summaries, bullet point information, this is what he needs to know in order to he’s going to go over and start the project with getting his hands on it and building it.

So they’re going to start tasks in different ways. It’s not good or bad, but it’s that understanding. Right. And so that was just like this light bulb moment. She’s like, of course, I know that about him. And he knows that about me, but now having it. In context, right? When you have data to support it and you have this report, it’s like, Oh my gosh, now we take this thing we know and we can put it into a strategy that we’re actually going to implement in our, our project management approach.

And so that’s just one tiny little example, but the awareness is Such a powerful tool in itself, because then you can get curious. And then what it also does is it makes you really crystal clear as to who you need around you in order to be as efficient as possible, where you’re working against your strengths and where you’re going to meet burnout square in the face.

And so what do we do instead of figuring out not only who else, but what can we delegate and how do I get into better alignment? Based on my strengths. So there’s just so many things that happen when we start understanding ourselves, the curiosity just wells up in you and you’re like, I need to know about this person, this person, even for me, as somebody who has used this tool for years.

recently getting certified. I mean, I couldn’t wait to get home and re look at my entire team and look at our synergy and figure out, do I have the right people in the right roles, not based on their personality and can they do it because they have the cognitive abilities, but do I have them in the right roles so that they’re working with their strengths and they’re not mentally exhausted every day because they’re having to exert more energy.

Then they should write so just super such a fascinating tool 

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So is that the conative strength piece that people don’t necessarily focus on in business? I think. 

We’re just really used to everything that’s around us because Colby truly is the only thing that measures the cognitive traits. So we’re really familiar with the cognitive and we’re really familiar with the affective piece of things.

I mean, everything from your, your core values in your business to, you know, any of the awareness tools that we are, uh, personality tests that we’re used to having access to and hearing about those measure, those other two parts of mind, the only. Thing that actually that I’m familiar with it even touches on the word conation or cognitive abilities is Colby.

And so it. It isn’t something that is, it’s like, if you know about Colby, you know about Colby. If you don’t, you’ve never heard of it before is really what it comes down to, or you have no idea how to apply it or why it’s different, but it’s wildly different. And so when we can see the, how we do not necessarily like.

The why or do I like it? It’s about what will I do or won’t do if I can be totally, totally honest. We strip away those conditioning factors from the affective piece, especially to be able to say. Am I really setting myself up for success here or is there a potential for, you know, something better? 


And I would imagine too, that this also sheds a light on, you know, perhaps, you know, even as an entrepreneur myself, right. I’ll go about doing things and wondering like, why, you know, this works so well for all these other people. Like, why doesn’t this work for me? And I would imagine that this also So, you know, we’ll alleviate so much frustration, like you were talking about with your client, but for yourself and in it and in the ways in which, you know, perhaps you’ve been trained, right?

Like I was in corporate for 20 years and I learned how to do things a certain way. And then when I became an entrepreneur, it was like, well, why isn’t this working for me? And, you know, why am I still butting my head up against a wall? And I just, you know, feel like this allows, it just, it really shines a light on how it is, right, that you can approach tasks differently, how it is that you can problem solve differently, how it is that you can engage with other people from a place of understanding where it is that they’re coming from and knowing how to interact.

So. To me, what that also calls in, it kind of comes back to the theme of the podcast, right? Is like the power in the pause, right? 


I think that we, we go on autopilot so frequently that it’s like, well, this is how I’ve always done it. So I’m just going to keep doing it this way, even if it feels harder or, you know, I just, if I keep pushing at it, it’ll work.

So how, how is the importance of, or how can moments of pause, right? Self reflection. Right in amplifying your ponitive strength, help you to feel, you know, the term success, right, is kind of a measure that we all use and, and fulfillment in life and business. 

Yeah, I think the the pause piece is when you do your assessment, or if you have done your assessment, going back and looking at it with fresh eyes and then the contemplation of where am I working within my strengths and where am I working against them, right?

Because we all wake up every morning with the same amount of energy. ergs or mental energy units. How those ergs are distributed is dependent upon our conative strengths. So how many ergs do I get? For my fact finder is going to be different from somebody who has a two in fact finder, they’re going to have more ergs in implementer or follow through or quick start or something like that.

But if they’re in a role where they’re having to do heaps and heaps of research, that’s going to. Bring them to a place of burnout and frustration and overwhelm because the question is really around what makes people productive, right? We all know a lot of smart people and we probably know a lot of smart people who aren’t very productive and they’re not very productive.

For a reason. So what is that reason? So asking ourselves and pausing to say, like, where is my productivity being inhibited? Like, where am I feeling? And that’s, we get to bring the affective in here to, to contemplate it because then we can look at the actual cognitive strength piece. And To say, and to further illustrate this, Colby has a really cool tool for this, because what we’re talking about right now for the most part is our Colby A.

That’s your modus operandi results for yourself. The A is for yourself. And then you can do a Colby B, which I had no idea even really how to use this until a couple of years ago. truly understanding it from going through certification. I’m like, Oh my gosh, everybody needs to do this and they need to do the C, but the B is something that we can do on our role.

And so anybody can do this, whether you’re in corporate, whether you’re the CEO, but it’s based on the requirements of. My job, what cognitive abilities and and strengths and the amount of them are being asked of me in this role. So then then we can look at what is your job require and what are your natural strengths.

So we’re taking the A and comparing it to the B. And that’s where we can see the gaps and we can decide. Can I change my role? Can I delegate something? Can I do it differently? Because that’s always a really interesting thing. So that’s where we get the data and then we can have this pause to really step back and look at how can I create greater alignment and greater efficiency and more productivity.

Oh my god, that’s like groundbreaking what you just said. 

It’s really neat. 

Because I think that the way that we think about what’s in the gap is that there’s something wrong with us, right? Like, why can’t I figure this out? Or why is this so hard for me versus understanding that we’re just not built that way and that’s okay, right?

So how do we fill the gap, right? Like, who do we delegate to? Who do we need to hire in our organization?  To fill that gap. And so like, what I’m also hearing you say is that it’s really about, it’s really about operating at our highest and best at this point. Right. And, and creating like kind of what’s like the image that’s coming up for me is like being able to really create that well oiled machine that doesn’t need oiling very often because you’ve got all the right hogs in place, right?


Yeah. So anybody can get a Colby  can get their Colby, right? 

Yep. It’s 55. You can go to Colby. com K O L B E and you can do your report. It will give you your numbers instantaneously. The there’s a, I think there’s 36 questions. It’ll take you, you know, as long as it takes you, but about 20 minutes.

The thing that I want to highlight though, is. You want to answer these questions from the vantage point of, if free to be myself, what would I do? Not, how should I answer this? Or, how have I been doing this? How have I been doing it? Or, how was I trained to do this? Or, if you’re in corporate, how does the culture want me to do this?

That is where, the Colby B would come in. Okay, so we can talk about what you’re actually doing, but we want to know, Winfrey to be yourself, how are you going to operate? The cool thing about this is, and I think this will help to illustrate this point, Kathy Colby, who is the woman, you know, behind this incredible, just life’s work that she has shared with the world.

And I got to meet her during the certification and learn with her, which was just wild in itself. I was going to ask, was 

she the instructor? 

She did come and she taught several and she called me up for a hot seat actually based on my Colby be because so my own analysis of my job, there was some really big deviation there and talk about intimidating, but so awesome to hear from like the master herself.

And it was just like, so obvious  like where the gap was, right? 

Yeah. Oh 

man. Yeah. So, so amazing. But what I was going to share is she can look at children. in their natural state of play or just behavior as young as one year old and be able to determine their Colby because it is how we handle things, right?

How are we going to do something? So when, so as you’re taking this You know, exam. That’s not the right word, but as you’re going through this questionnaire that you are really truly being true to yourself and stripping away like if you could go back to before you had any conditioning, how would you approach the thing?

How would you do it? The questions are written in a way that are purposefully slightly confusing.  Don’t overthink them. Some people get really hung up. They’re like, I didn’t understand the question. Like, go with your instinct. This is based on your instincts. And so that’s what’s so cool. It doesn’t matter if you are non verbal, it doesn’t matter if you have a learning disability, you can still have.

a Colby that is going to show us how you’re going to thrive when striving because this has nothing to do with the cognitive part of your mind, right? So that’s what’s so cool about this. And, and one of the reasons why I get so passionate and want everyone to do it, because even if you’re a solopreneur right now, this is going to shed some massive light on who your next hire really needs to be.

I just had a intensive with a client this weekend and in two seconds of looking at her Colby, I was like, the next person that you need to hire needs to be a bookkeeper. And she was like, how do you know that? I was like, because of your three in follow through, You’ve got to keep your books. That’s going to be really important, especially if you have a lot of expenditures coming up, all the things like that.

That is not going to be the best use of your energy is creating systems to organize your business, right? And so we had a bit and she was like, of course, yeah, absolutely. Versus like she would have wanted to go and hire like a social media person right away. But when we’re looking at the bigger picture and saying, how do we hire based on who you are?

Right. It’s amazing. 

So what is a piece of advice that you would leave our audience with today that are beyond curious and wanting to integrate Colby into their lives? Like, what is one piece of advice or wisdom that you would leave them with today? I 

would say Go and spend the 55 and do the assessment because it is not a personality assessment.

It is going to be a strengths assessment. It’s going to tell you more about who you are and the you can. It’s not going to change. That’s the other thing. Like it’s such a good use of 55 because this isn’t something that has an expiration date. Even if you take it and you don’t have a chance to do anything with it in terms of, you know, business planning, you’re going to get some awareness.

That is going to shift something immediately, but you can come back to it again and again and again. And when you’re ready to dive in, then you can decide what that’s going to look like. But I’m telling you, start exploring it because it is so synergistic.  It is going to shed greater light on all the things that you’re already doing.

I just got off a call with a client. We were talking about her business model based on the fact that she’s a projector and human design, but then we specifically were talking about her challenges in her marketing and where she was feeling like she was running up against not getting the invitation, which is.

Right. The strategy for projectors. So we went over to her Colby and looking quickly at her back finder. That was a big clue for me and to maybe why that invitation wasn’t happy in the way that she was hoping that it would in her human design. So that’s just an Now. like tiny little illustration of how I use it with human design.

It’s very synergistic. We can apply it to so many other ways. So get curious about this. If there’s anything about today’s talk that you were like, I’m interested in that thing, go do it. It is, it’s a really comprehensive report. I mean, you will learn a lot from it. 

Yeah. And I mean, I, I am a splenic projector.

So, you know, and I know, as you know, I mean, we’ve talked about this before, and those of you who were, you know, signed up for my free summit that I did earlier this year, you know, I am fascinated by human design. And even just knowing that has been a massive game changer for me and how it is that. Not only I do business and how I show up, but it also has helped me in terms of, you know, how to work with members of my team.

And I can only imagine what knowing, I did do my Colby a while ago. And I know when we talked last time, I was like, I’m going to do this. And of course, you know, life and business got in the way and I am going to go do this again. Cause I’m curious to, to know what my Colby is. 

And that’s important to bring up.

If you’ve already done it and you don’t remember what it is, you can go get it again. Like don’t pay again to do it. It is there. How do you go get it? 

It is. 

Yeah. There is a link. And of course you’re asking me right now and I don’t know it. You can look it up, but you can also just email them and say, Hey, I’ve taken this previously.

Here’s my name and my email. And they will find it for you. And if you work with a consultant, same thing. If you don’t know it, but you’re like, I know I’ve done it before. We can pull it into our systems in the backend. So don’t pay for it again.  

I’m glad I said something.  So those of you guys who think you’ve done it too, we get to go send an email to their customer service people and figure this out, Melissa, you know, I just, I love you so much.

I love what you do. I think that this is such a game changer in the way that. We get to approach business, you know, whether you’re an entrepreneur or whether you’re in corporate I want to make sure that people know where they can find you. So where is the best place? 

Gosh linkedin or instagram. I kind of hang out in both spots a lot these days, but melissa froelich underscore biz The hardest thing to spell but it’ll be in the show notes Is my handle on instagram and feel free to send me a dm You can send me a screenshot of your results with a question Like I really I’m passionate about this work and just seeing how people are able to really practically apply it in their business and with their teams and with their families and gosh, we didn’t even get into that, but you can do it, you know, with your husband and certainly I’ve done that and it’s so fascinating to just see and no wonder we all approach things differently and you have that appreciation and so Hopefully, you know, you’re going to get excited about this too.

Yeah, I, I love this. This is like, so my jam and I encourage everybody listening to go take their Colby questionnaire and figure out what your Colby is because it really, it is a game changer and how it is that you show up in every aspect  It doesn’t just as you just said, like it doesn’t just impact your business and impacts your relationships.

And now it makes me even curious, like I want to get Jeff to do his because he was just talking about your client. I was like, Oh my God, like I can totally see like, and I’m curious. Like how many points are we different right in each of the four, in each of the four action modes. So, so great. You guys, I hope that you loved our conversation today as much as I did.

I know that we could probably talk for another hour and go into like, so like how human design and relationships and all of this stuff. But. Ultimately, what my goal was today, at least in the time that we had together, was really to help each and every one of you guys to amplify your abundance in your life by seeing and learning new things about you, about how it is that you approach your business and Ultimately just seeing how when you dive head first into self awareness, how it can amplify your ability to show up in life and in your business differently.

And most importantly, as Melissa has talked about today, really, it can amplify your cognitive strength and lead to greater success and fulfillment in your life. So. Thank you all for tuning into today’s episode. I would love to hear your thoughts about it. What was your moment? What was super curious or a curious thing that popped up in your head?

You’re free to email me wendy at wendy sterling. net or similarly, I’m on Instagram, wendy page sterling. Send me a DM. I’d love to hear your thoughts about today’s episode. Melissa, thank you. Like, truly thank you for not just being in my life and in my sphere of people that I get to say I know, but also for the work that you do and the many, many lives that you are continuing to change.

So thank you so much for being my guest today. 

Thank you. This was so fun. So good. 

Thank you. You guys. I can’t wait to see you in the next episode. Sending you so much love and light always. Bye everybody. 

Thank you so much for being a part of our journey, your quest to embrace life’s transformative pauses and unlock your true potential. is a powerful one. My podcast here is to support you on this journey and guide you towards creating an intuitively designed life. Stay connected for upcoming episodes where I will continue to explore self discovery and empowerment.

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